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  1. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    What is the overall weight in grams on the 915 D2 driver fitted with the Diamana Red 50 or the Diamana S+ Blue 50? How does Titleist think overall weight of a driver affects distance in view of claims of competitors who are promoting drivers weighing under 300 grams.

    Thank you,  Bob

  2. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    Sorely lacking in club head speed for my perfect 280 yard drive, I've been following the secret to unleash my 105 mph club head speed from my reality of 85 mph. The under 300 g drivers have mixed results. Velocity is definitely better than mass at creating ball speed. Real world experience from what I have read (by now I'd feel dirty holding some other OEM driver...) some have experienced a 1-3 mph increase in speed that may translate to 2-8 yards. Others have found with the really light shafts that the club head feels like a cannonball on the end of a string. Using my experience from a fitting using a 50g Bassara to a 72g White board, my speed is "terminal". No average gain in speed with the 50g over the 72g. Factoring in backspin, launch, etc. my best results came from a 60 g S+. I don't see moving from 310-320g to 290g being my salvation from the front tees. But I do love the feel of my D2.
  3. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Thanks Don. What you say fits my own experience. I 'm 73 and have also been losing distance and club head speed (after some recent medical treatment, my swing speed was down to 80 mph or a bit below but hope to regain a bit this season). At  a recent demo day, I hit the Titleist 915 D2 as well or better than any other driver  I tried (including my own 910 with the Bassara shaft)  and ordered it with a lightweight shaft. The Titleist fitters were wonderful. My own view is that lightweight shafts can contribute a bit to clubhead speed but changes in technique, exercise drills (some suggested by the Titleist Performance Institute) can do more. The 915 with the Diamana Red 50 or Blue S+ 50 is a fairly lightweight club although perhaps not as light as some on the market and I'm really looking forward to playing it when snow finally stops.the

    Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. I was curious about what others thought about lightweight clubs and swing speed.

  4. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    Hello Robert; Right now I'm playing the 910D2 with the 'Ilima 61 "A" flex shaft. Don't know the total weight of my driver, but I'm sure it's over 300gr. Several of the guys in my playing group are playing the TM white headed drivers, so one day I thought just out of curiosity I'd hit one of their TM drivers that is much lighter than mine, and I believe 1" longer. (46") Honestly, the first two times I swung the TM, I completely missed the teed up ball, and the third try, I topped the ball, and it went about 60yds. Needless to say, I didn't try that again. I don't think the lighter club weight will make much difference unless it is a lot heavier. Swing that TM just made me appreciate my Titleist driver that much more.
  5. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Thanks Norris. Again your remark coincides with my own experience. My present driver is a 910 with the Bassara lightweight shaft i n A flex and I averaged hitting almost 12 fairways a round with it last season, maybe because I wasn't hitting it far enough to reach the rough. But seriously, I hit it very well. My previous driver was probably20-30 grams lighter with a 46" shaft and I was no longer off the tee with it than the 910 and sometimes hit some very wild shots with it, perhaps because of the length of the shaft. My own view is that a super lightweight driver with a 46" shaft may help some players gain some swing speed but other players may not gain swing speed and perhaps lose accuracy, just as you suggest. While I thought my previous driver was a very good club and still have it as a back-up,I really love my 910 and am looking forward to receiving my 915, which I did order with a relatively lightweight shaft (Diamana S+ Blue 50) that I hit very very well at a Titleist demo day.

    Thanks for your input which like Don's fits my own experience.    Bob

  6. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    Thank you Robert for the kind words. Besides my 910d2 with the 'Ilima 61 A flex shaft A1 set 10.5*, I also have a 12* 910D2 with the Bassara 50 shaft in A flex. Like you, I hit the Bassara shaft well, but I do get a little better accuracy and length from the 'Ilima shaft, and like you, I do hit most fairways with both. Thank you also for mentioning the Diamana S+ Blue 50 shaft that you ordered in your 915. Thanks entirely to Will at Team Titleist, I plan on a fitting in April for a new 915 driver, and you've given me a shaft to consider during the fitting. I have a question though. My book shows that the Dia. S+ Blue is 60, and the 50 is a M + Red. Is there a shaft I'm missing, or did you get the S + Blue 60?
  7. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Hi Norris. I posted a reply to you but since I didn't click on the reply button you might not have seen or been notified. I am copying it below and hope it is helpful.

      If you go to custom options for the 915 on the Titleist website, and to their chart showing spin and launch for each shaft, you will see that the Diamana Blue S+ 50 is listed as having slightly lower spin and launch than the Bassara. It had originally been suggested to me as an option by Cathi at Titleist and as usual she was right on the mark. I tried it at a Titleist demo day and in spite of or maybe because it has a bit less torque, I hit it straighter and with a high but flatter trajectory than the Diamana Red 50. There is no up charge for the shaft. I recommend it as an option for your fitting. I also hit the Diamana Red well but not quite as well as the Blue 50.

    Thanks again for your assistance.

  8. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    Hello Robert; It's Norris again. Hope you don't mind a couple more questions. What flex did you get in your Blue S+ 50 shaft? I noticed that it comes in a "Lite" flex, so I take it that the "LITE" flex is a Senior or "A" flex. Is this correct? I have a 83-85 swing speed so I'm border line between "A" and "R" flex, so I've been hitting the "A" flex in my 910D2. Did you try the Blue S+ 60 shaft? Does the higher torque number mean that the shaft has less torque than a lower number? I noticed that some shafts on the list have a Standard (TX Upcharge) designation. Does this mean upcharge in Texas only? Thanks for your help. Norris:
  9. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Hi Norris,

    Good questions. I tried the S+ Diamana Blue in both 50 and 60 grams in LIte (A) flex (although at different times so the comparison is not quite fair).  I hit both well but felt more comfortable hitting the lighter 50 shaft--it not only felt lighter  but I also I thought my ball flight was marginally but visibly better, which numbers indicated as well..  Both are great shafts as is the Bassara 50 in my present Titleist 910. I went to the S+ Blue 50 rather than the M 50 Red since the Red is very  close to the Bassara 50 in launch characteristics and I wanted to be able to swap shafts that are somewhat different if necessary. I also hit the Blue on a flatter trajectory which I like. Near duplication made no sense. The S+ Blue 50 clearly gave me a more boring trajectory than my Bassara and I loved the lighter feel. Finally, I believe lower numbers indicate less torque. My advice is to find a fitter with a number of these shafts and see which is best for you. Let me know what you decide. My own 915 is on order and I am looking forward to playing it.  I hope my comments prove useful to you. Best of luck with your shaft selection,

  10. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    Congratulations on the new weapon. BTW, did you get the same loft as well?
  11. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Hi Don,

    No, I went for a higher loft. My previous driver was a 910 at 10.5 loft but I found after some adjustments it played best for me at higher lofts. So I went with 12 degrees in the 915-- at the demo sessions I attended I hit it best at either 12 or 11.2. The adjustability of the club makes it fun to experiment and see what works best and to change lofts as my swing evolves (or "devolves" if that is a word).

    I haven't received my new driver yet and we are very snowbound in the NE but looking forward to trying it asp. Hope my comments are helpful to you.

  12. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military
    Good luck with you new driver and good luck with the weather in the NE. Hear more snow is on the way. I will stop complaining about the 40* degree weather in the south. Just thankful we do not have any of that awful white stuff. Stay safe and warm and enjoy your new Titleist when it all melts away. You will have earned you time on the range and links.
  13. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Thank you Chuck. Luckily we have a fine indoor facility nearby so  can hit balls every week or so. Also, spent a week in Orlando but today the high will be around zero degrees. 40 degrees sounds like heaven!

  14. Robert S said:

    Thanks Don. What you say fits my own experience. I 'm 73 and have also been losing distance and club head speed (after some recent medical treatment, my swing speed was down to 80 mph or a bit below but hope to regain a bit this season). At  a recent demo day, I hit the Titleist 915 D2 as well or better than any other driver  I tried (including my own 910 with the Bassara shaft)  and ordered it with a lightweight shaft. The Titleist fitters were wonderful. My own view is that lightweight shafts can contribute a bit to clubhead speed but changes in technique, exercise drills (some suggested by the Titleist Performance Institute) can do more. The 915 with the Diamana Red 50 or Blue S+ 50 is a fairly lightweight club although perhaps not as light as some on the market and I'm really looking forward to playing it when snow finally stops.the

    Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. I was curious about what others thought about lightweight clubs and swing speed.

  15. Cath D.

    Cath D.
    Carlsbad, CA

    Robert S said:

    What is the overall weight in grams on the 915 D2 driver fitted with the Diamana Red 50 or the Diamana S+ Blue 50? How does Titleist think overall weight of a driver affects distance in view of claims of competitors who are promoting drivers weighing under 300 grams.

    Thank you,  Bob


    We believe that overall driver weight is just one aspect of the total performance of a club.  The  performance of the head, shaft performance and the swingweight,are even more important factors in determining which driver is best for you.  We have done testing with a very light club and we have not found that the performance was optimal for our players. We would encourage you to select the driver based on performance rather than overall weight. 
  16. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Thank you Cathi. That is what I have done and and as I said above, the 915 D2 was best for me. Titleist fitters are great.

  17. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    Robert S said:

    What is the overall weight in grams on the 915 D2 driver fitted with the Diamana Red 50 or the Diamana S+ Blue 50? How does Titleist think overall weight of a driver affects distance in view of claims of competitors who are promoting drivers weighing under 300 grams.

    Thank you,  Bob

    Believe you got most of the info you ask for, but to answer you question regarding the weight of the driver. Here are the specs: Mitsubishi Diamana S+ Blue 60 915D2 / 915D3 FLEX - R, S WEIGHT - 60, 61 Mitsubishi Diamana M+ Red 50 915D2 FLEX - A, R, S WEIGHT - 49, 51, 52
  18. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Hi Norris.  If you go to custom options for the 915 on the Titleist website, and to their chart showing spin and launch for each shaft, you will see that the Diamana Blue S+ 50 is listed as having slightly lower spin and launch than the Bassara. It had originally been suggested to me as an option by Cathi at Titleist and as usual she was right on the mark. I tried it at a Titleist demo day and in spite of or maybe because it has a bit less torque, I hit it straighter and with a high but flatter trajectory than the Diamana Red 50. There is no up charge for the shaft. I recommend it as an option for your fitting. I also hit the Diamana Red well but not quite as well as the Blue 50.

    Thanks again for your assistance.

    Sent from my iPad

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    Thank you Robert for the kind words. Besides my 910d2 with the 'Ilima 61 A flex shaft A1 set 10.5*, I also have a 12* 910D2 with the Bassara 50 shaft in A flex. Like you, I hit the Bassara shaft well, but I do get a little better accuracy and length from the 'Ilima shaft, and like you, I do hit most fairways with both. Thank you also for mentioning the Diamana S+ Blue 50 shaft that you ordered in your 915. Thanks entirely to Will at Team Titleist, I plan on a fitting in April for a new 915 driver, and you've given me a shaft to consider during the fitting. I have a question though. My book shows that the Dia. S+ Blue is 60, and the 50 is a M + Red. Is there a shaft I'm missing, or did you get the S + Blue 60?

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  19. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    Thanks for the reply, and the info Robert. I'll look up that shaft, and defiantly try it out at my fitting.
  20. Robert S

    Robert S
    Clinton, NY

    Robert S

    What is the overall weight in grams on the 915 D2 driver fitted with the Diamana Red 50 or the Diamana S+ Blue 50? How does Titleist think overall weight of a driver affects distance in view of claims of competitors who are promoting drivers weighing under 300 grams.

    Thank you,  Bob

    Thank you Chuck, everyone has been very helpful.

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    Believe you got most of the info you ask for, but to answer you question regarding the weight of the driver. Here are the specs: Mitsubishi Diamana S+ Blue 60 915D2 / 915D3 FLEX - R, S WEIGHT - 60, 61 Mitsubishi Diamana M+ Red 50 915D2 FLEX - A, R, S WEIGHT - 49, 51, 52

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