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  1. David W

    David W
    Greensburg, PA

    I currently play 710 AP2 irons with Project X 5.0 shafts. I hit my 7 iron 145-150 and am currently an 8 but usually play to a 6. I am 64 years old and 5' 5", 150 lbs. I am considering AP2's with either the new XP95, R300 shafts or the stock graphite shaft, Kuro Kage in either a stiff or regular flex. When I compare shafts the Project X shafts seem to be 15% heavier! Suggestions?

  2. Bubba

    Bubba
    Providence, RI

    Team Titleist Staff

    Hi David, 

    Thanks for the question,

    First, it is important to analyze your current iron game and find out what you would like to improve on. Do you want a higher flight, lower flight, less dispersion or longer distance with your irons? After answering this question, you will have a better idea as to what shafts will help you achieve your goals.

    You are right that the PX shafts are typically heavier than the ones you mentioned, but weight is only one factor to consider. It's important to look at torque, kick point, etc.

    My suggestion would be to take close look at your iron game and see where it can improve. After this, see a local fitter and tell him/her about your analysis. They will then guide you in the right direction and help you find the right set up that will improve your game.

    Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any further questions.

    Bubba

  3. David W

    David W
    Greensburg, PA

    Thanks. Ball flight is good as well as dispersion. Looking for distance and better feel. 

  4. William M

    William M
    Ewa Beach, HI

    I just purchased the Ap2 714's but I had the XP-95 shafts in a reg flex. I hit them with stiff, and the project X, and they felt clumsy. I gained distance with the regular flex, and better accuracy. Glad I tried them before I bought. 

  5. David W

    David W
    Greensburg, PA

    William M, thanks for the reply. Just was looking for confirmation of what I had experienced. 

  6. Steve H

    Steve H
    Wylie, TX

    Do the fitting and you will just hit the golf balls with no regard to what the shaft is. My opinion is you will end up with the slightly lighter Nippon shaft as it probably performs really well with the setup you are looking for.
  7. Alansr c

    Alansr c

    Are you saying that AP2 714s would be ok with either XP95  R300 (R) or Nippon 850 GH (R)?  I just turned 65 and have been playing with first generation AP2s Project X rifle 5.5 shafts for about 5 +years.

     They are beginning to feel a little heavy and I've noticeably lost distance on the longer irons. Handicap being maintained around 8 to 10 in official competition but find myself struggling a little now, especially after shoulder surgery in 2011.

    I love the look and feel of the AP2s but think would like a lighter club  going forward to maintain speed and distance, plus a slightly higher flight  but without losing accuracy and playability of the AP2s I have been using.  Just not sure how these lighter combinations might work with AP2s.

    I recently bought cally Apex (forged heads)  660 Recoil F3 shafts on the advice of a dealer after a few easy 165 yd shots on his monitor with a 6-iron.  I think I've made a mistake and that dealer advised these super light clubs with larger heads based solely on my age.  I'm still very physically fit, however.

    Unfortunately, I think the  Apex+ Recoil 660s, although clearly high quality, are just too light for me after years with the Project Xs and I'm struggling with control and dispersion. Also  Apex club head just not as playable as the AP2 it seems.

    Would I have the same problems with the new  AP2  714s + XP 95 R300s or NS 850 GH R shafts or are these realistic combinations relative to my objectives, age, etc.

    Many thanks for your help.

    Alan

  8. Alansr c

    Alansr c

    Thank you -- hope someone can address these “combination issues’—i.e. that AP2 heads really can be used effectively with lighter shafts. My fear is that these heads were  in fact just designed to be played with heavier shafts and that it would be a struggle to make them work as well with these much lighter shaft alternatives—thus ‘killing” the joy of using the AP2! Would be a heartbreaker to have to give them up, however!
    On May 28, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Alansr c <bounce-alansrc1@acushnetgolf.com> wrote:

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    Alansr c replied to Re: shaft decision in Club Fitting.

    Are you saying that AP2 714s would be ok with either XP95  R300 (R) or Nippon 850 GH (R)?  I just turned 65 and have been playing with first generation AP2s Project X rifle 5.5 shafts for about 5 +years.

     They are beginning to feel a little heavy and I've noticeably lost distance on the longer irons. Handicap being maintained around 8 to 10 in official competition but find myself struggling a little now, especially after shoulder surgery in 2011.

    I love the look and feel of the AP2s but think would like a lighter club  going forward to maintain speed and distance, plus a slightly higher flight  but without losing accuracy and playability of the AP2s I have been using.  Just not sure how these lighter combinations might work with AP2s.

    I recently bought cally Apex (forged heads)  660 Recoil F3 shafts on the advice of a dealer after a few easy 165 yd shots on his monitor with a 6-iron.  I think I've made a mistake and that dealer advised these super light clubs with larger heads based solely on my age.  I'm still very physically fit, however.

    Unfortunately, I think the  Apex+ Recoil 660s, although clearly high quality, are just too light for me after years with the Project Xs and I'm struggling with control and dispersion. Also  Apex club head just not as playable as the AP2 it seems.

    Would I have the same problems with the new  AP2  714s + XP 95 R300s or NS 850 GH R shafts or are these realistic combinations relative to my objectives, age, etc.


    Many thanks for your help.

    Alan

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  9. Bubba

    Bubba
    Providence, RI

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    Alansr c said:

    Thank you -- hope someone can address these “combination issues’—i.e. that AP2 heads really can be used effectively with lighter shafts. My fear is that these heads were  in fact just designed to be played with heavier shafts and that it would be a struggle to make them work as well with these much lighter shaft alternatives—thus ‘killing” the joy of using the AP2! Would be a heartbreaker to have to give them up, however!

    On May 28, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Alansr c <bounce-alansrc1@acushnetgolf.com> wrote:

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    Alansr c replied to Re: shaft decision in Club Fitting.

    Are you saying that AP2 714s would be ok with either XP95  R300 (R) or Nippon 850 GH (R)?  I just turned 65 and have been playing with first generation AP2s Project X rifle 5.5 shafts for about 5 +years.

     They are beginning to feel a little heavy and I've noticeably lost distance on the longer irons. Handicap being maintained around 8 to 10 in official competition but find myself struggling a little now, especially after shoulder surgery in 2011.

    I love the look and feel of the AP2s but think would like a lighter club  going forward to maintain speed and distance, plus a slightly higher flight  but without losing accuracy and playability of the AP2s I have been using.  Just not sure how these lighter combinations might work with AP2s.

    I recently bought cally Apex (forged heads)  660 Recoil F3 shafts on the advice of a dealer after a few easy 165 yd shots on his monitor with a 6-iron.  I think I've made a mistake and that dealer advised these super light clubs with larger heads based solely on my age.  I'm still very physically fit, however.

    Unfortunately, I think the  Apex+ Recoil 660s, although clearly high quality, are just too light for me after years with the Project Xs and I'm struggling with control and dispersion. Also  Apex club head just not as playable as the AP2 it seems.

    Would I have the same problems with the new  AP2  714s + XP 95 R300s or NS 850 GH R shafts or are these realistic combinations relative to my objectives, age, etc.

    Many thanks for your help.

    Alan

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    Hi Alan, 

    Thanks for the post. 

    AP2 heads are designed so they can be played with any type/weight of shaft. They were not designed specifically for heavier or stiffer shafts. 

    As always, the key is to find a local fitter and try the different options to make sure you find the right combination.  

    Hope this helps. 

    Bubba

  10. Alansr c

    Alansr c

    Alansr c

    Thank you -- hope someone can address these “combination issues’—i.e. that AP2 heads really can be used effectively with lighter shafts. My fear is that these heads were  in fact just designed to be played with heavier shafts and that it would be a struggle to make them work as well with these much lighter shaft alternatives—thus ‘killing” the joy of using the AP2! Would be a heartbreaker to have to give them up, however!

    On May 28, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Alansr c <bounce-alansrc1@acushnetgolf.com> wrote:

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    Alansr c replied to Re: shaft decision in Club Fitting.

    Are you saying that AP2 714s would be ok with either XP95  R300 (R) or Nippon 850 GH (R)?  I just turned 65 and have been playing with first generation AP2s Project X rifle 5.5 shafts for about 5 +years.

     They are beginning to feel a little heavy and I've noticeably lost distance on the longer irons. Handicap being maintained around 8 to 10 in official competition but find myself struggling a little now, especially after shoulder surgery in 2011.

    I love the look and feel of the AP2s but think would like a lighter club  going forward to maintain speed and distance, plus a slightly higher flight  but without losing accuracy and playability of the AP2s I have been using.  Just not sure how these lighter combinations might work with AP2s.

    I recently bought cally Apex (forged heads)  660 Recoil F3 shafts on the advice of a dealer after a few easy 165 yd shots on his monitor with a 6-iron.  I think I've made a mistake and that dealer advised these super light clubs with larger heads based solely on my age.  I'm still very physically fit, however.

    Unfortunately, I think the  Apex+ Recoil 660s, although clearly high quality, are just too light for me after years with the Project Xs and I'm struggling with control and dispersion. Also  Apex club head just not as playable as the AP2 it seems.

    Would I have the same problems with the new  AP2  714s + XP 95 R300s or NS 850 GH R shafts or are these realistic combinations relative to my objectives, age, etc.

    Many thanks for your help.

    Alan

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    Thank you!
    On May 28, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Bubba, TT Staff <bounce-TTBubba@acushnetgolf.com> wrote:

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    Hi Alan, 

    Thanks for the post. 

    AP2 heads are designed so they can be played with any type/weight of shaft. They were not designed specifically for heavier or stiffer shafts. 

    As always, the key is to find a local fitter and try the different options to make sure you find the right combination.  

    Hope this helps. 

    Bubba

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