New 2022 release?

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By Don O

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  1. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    We’ve come to expect non-urethane balls to be announced in the off year from the Pro-V’s. This year was not a big year at the PGA Show as in the past. The AVX was not rotated to the same cycle as the V/X balls and is the only news for balls so far.

    Wonder what the release cycle will be for the Tour Soft,, Tour Speed, Velocity, and Trusoft? Will they be on a longer cycle like the 620 irons? Not that I’m focused on that - the future of the left dot is more interesting.

  2. Dale V

    Dale V
    Surprise AZ

    Being a "seasoned" TT member like myself, you know any official release information is never leaked on the forum so any comments will only be speculation. Bringing my ProV1x's with me to Cas de Campo. See you there.
  3. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    But of course it is speculation. Will have an assortment of optic and white X’s with me, as well at the TTI.

    With the large OEM’s either reduced displays or not there at the PGA at all, news has been slow. Thought stirring the pot to gauge interest in the other lines would keep up interest. Expecting new versions or new colors?

    With sub freezing temps and snow cover back to X-mas, cabin fever is testing my sanity.



  4. Am I the only one that wants to see throwback balls available i. e. Tour balata, Professional.
  5. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    DCrane said:

    Am I the only one that wants to see throwback balls available i. e. Tour balata, Professional.

    You might be. With respect. They were great balls for their time, but allike all great products based on R&D, we must move on. Here are the results of a robot test (2020) that was conducted for Golf.com comparing the balata and new balls. I will stay with the Provs. The results out weight the smiley faces.

    TEST 1: Amateur Driver Speed (92 mph)

    RESULTS:

    Tour-level balata ball: 210.2 yds at 3,346.8 RPMs
    Modern urethane ball: 232.4 yds at 2,768.8 RPMs
    Difference: 22.2 yards and 578 RPMs Ball speed decreased by 4.5 mph

    TEST 2: Tour Driver Low Spin (113 mph)

    RESULTS:

    Tour-level balata ball: 265.8 yds at 3,343.8 RPMs
    Modern urethane ball: 288.3 yds at 2,382.2 RPMs
    Difference: 22.5 yards and 961.6 RPMs Ball speed decreased by 4.3 mph

    TEST 3: Tour Driver Mid-High Spin (113 mph)

    RESULTS:

    Tour-level balata ball: 262.5 yds at 3,785.8 RPMs
    Modern urethane ball: 294.9 yds at 2,822.2 RPMs
    Difference: 32.4 yards and 963.6 RPMs Ball speed decreased by 4.2 mph

    TEST 4:

    High Speed Tour Driver Mid Spin (132 mph)

    RESULTS:

    Tour-level balata ball: 324 yds at 3,472 RPMs
    Modern urethane ball: 356.9 yds at 2,631 RPMs
    Difference: 32.9 yards and 841 RPMs Ball speed decreased by 6 mph

    TEST 5:

    Tour 6-iron (91 mph)

    RESULTS:

    Tour-level balata ball: 186.5 yds at 6,458 RPMs
    Modern urethane ball: 197.3 yds at 5,687 RPMs
    Difference: 10.8 yards and 771 RPMs Ball speed decreased by 3.6 mph

    TEST 6:

    Tour 56-degree wedge (83 mph)

    RESULTS:

    Tour-level balata ball: 86.5 yds at 11,861.7 RPMs
    Modern urethane ball: 91.1 yds at 9,860.6 RPMs
    Difference: 4.7 yards and 2001.1 RPMs

    A detailed look at the ball data for the high speed tour driver (mid spin) test.

    GOLF LABORATORIES, INC.

    10 takeaways from our testing:

    Gene Parente, president of Golf Laboratories, Inc., testing revealed several interesting findings, with regards to launch and spin:

    - The Tour-level balata generated a higher spin rate than the modern-day ball with all types of swings.

    - The Tour-level balata produced a lower launch and ball speed than the modern ball.

    - The greatest distance loss was at the 132 mph driver speed with a mid spin rate.

    -A Tour driver speed with low spin produced the smallest distance delta (20.4 yards).

    If ball spin is utilized to limit distance, this could potentially affect players with different swing styles in different ways. Players with lower spinning shots — for example, an “inside/out” path below 2,400 RPMs spin — will be less affected than a player who plays a power fade — slightly “outside/in” path at 2,600-2,800 RPMs spin — with the same clubhead speed. A universal ball would provide different results based upon its design parameters.
    If you were to combine the modern-day Tour driver with a Tour-level balata at mid or mid-high spin, a distance loss of 40-plus yards is possible.

    - Wedge spin is approximately 2000 RPMs higher on the Tour-level balata versus the modern-day solid-construction.

    -Driver distance loss varies based upon launch conditions.

    -6-iron distance loss is roughly 1 club shorter when comparing the two balls.

    - An increase in wedge spin would cause some players to adjust their swing to adapt to excessive spin produced with the Tour-level balata and modern-day wedge.

    NOTE: For this particular test, Parente obtained sealed boxes of the same wound, liquid-filled Tour-level balata ball from the 1990s — one of the last major innovations in ball technology before solid-core, multi-layer construction — to compare against a popular multi-layer, solid-construction, urethane ball. All product was hit at varying speeds with the same modern-day equipment delivered at the same impact positions. (Note: the balata balls were in a sealed box, but a 1-2% decrease in distance is possible due to their age.)
  6. Jim V.

    Jim V.
    St. Marys, GA

    The New Velocity will be available on tomorrow. I'm sure the others will closely follow.
  7. Played the AVX 2022 test balls. Good carry and distance. Putted and rolled very well. At same time used Velocity ball The Velocity ball had better distance with the driver but couldn’t notice difference with irons. At $20 more a dozen. I would. Pick Velocity
  8. Played the new AVX 2022 test balls. Good distance and carry. Putting was true without feeling soft. Played Velocity ball at the same time. Velocity distance was better but didn’t notice any difference with my irons. At $20 more a dozen for AVX I would pick the Velocity

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