How many on Team Titleist prefer a 5 wood or 7 wood over a long hybrid (17-21H)

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By Lou G

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  1. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    With all the posts about how many think hybrids are the greatest thing since sliced bread and one or two here and there about who has used a 21 fairway.... If you're one of those that think a 7 wood is the greatest thing since sliced bread, this post is for you.

    First, before I lead in, I use a 5H or lofted wood and a 34H in place of the 5-7 irons because they are much less work. The hybrids I carry in my bag are a Sumo SQ 5/26 and 7/34 and I don't miss with them and hit plenty of par 3 greens between 140-170 yards. I have a Louisville Niblick Even Stripe persimmon 10 wood (28.5* loft, 58* lie angle and 40" length) that I played for a year before getting the Sumo; I could hit it 165 or so and it would drop the ball on a dime.

    I also have a persimmon 34H that I actually hit 10 yards farther than the Sumo 34H but the latter is much easier to control distance. Those of us that have been playing golf since the 1970s remember that 5 woods were pretty much 21 degree loft until the early days of metal woods (might add we also remember some companies, most notably Northwestern, made lofted persimmon woods; we, as kids thought that only old men hit lofted woods).

    Along that line, in my caddie days (1972) I remember some of the golfers at the country club were ranting and raving about a 6 wood instead of a 3 iron. I currently have a Burner 2007 7 wood in my golf bag and absolutely annihilate it.

    Also, I have a Louisville Niblick Vanguard persimmon 5/21 (41" shaft, 57* lie angle) that I actually used for 6 months in 2010 (with a 980F 3 wood and the 10W) that I occasionally take out to the range. I found out in 2006 (when taking up golf again) that I fared better with a 7 wood vs a 3H and that a 4H was of little value since there was only 5 yd diff between it and a 5H or lofted wood.

    I have carried an Orlimar Trimetal and Titleist 975F (both with DG R300 steel shafts), a Warbird Heavenwood (20*), the Louisville 5/21 and Burner 7W in succession. If you look at the specs of the 910H 17H (41" shaft and 57.75* lie angle) you'll find a typical 7 wood (41.5" shaft and 58.5* lie angle) is not much different in setting up to the ball.

    I find a 7 wood works just about on any lie and there is almost no difference in distance between it and a 5 wood. I also know I am pretty capable of hitting over 200 yards with a 7W if I really let one rip. It is also very workable and what I do for the shot in between it and a 5H is hit a choke or stinger shot with success.

    That is my input.

  2. Dennis M

    Dennis M
    Miami, FL

    Sorry, not me. I even use a 17* hybrid as a replacement for my 3 wood. Regardless of the difference in length and loft, i only hit the hybrid about 10 yards shorter. The benefit is, I hit it a LOT more consistently, where I seem to top the 3 wood a lot. Where I play, I need to hit that club off 3-4 tees, depending on wind, and on at least 3 par 5 holes. Moving the ball instead of topping it makes me about 2 shots better per round with that hybrid than when I carry a 3 wood.

    If someone would make a hybrid to replace my stupid, mean, spiteful lob wedge, I'd buy it.

  3. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Dennis M said:

    Sorry, not me. I even use a 17* hybrid as a replacement for my 3 wood. Regardless of the difference in length and loft, i only hit the hybrid about 10 yards shorter. The benefit is, I hit it a LOT more consistently, where I seem to top the 3 wood a lot. Where I play, I need to hit that club off 3-4 tees, depending on wind, and on at least 3 par 5 holes. Moving the ball instead of topping it makes me about 2 shots better per round with that hybrid than when I carry a 3 wood.

    If someone would make a hybrid to replace my stupid, mean, spiteful lob wedge, I'd buy it.

    Back in the good old days of Golf, I could crush a "real" 3 wood (my record is 325 with a laminated head and aluminum shaft). Since I took it up again in 2006, I have only found one 3 wood I could hit satisfactorily - a 980F that I had in 2010 (the only reason I don't have it is that my current 7 wood goes the same distance). My main issues with a 3 wood are slicing or hitting it too high when straight. Also, I have a lofted driver, so carrying a 3 wood is of no added value. My 7 wood is the clear winner over any fairway woods or 2-3H. Because the shaft is 1.5" shorter than a 3 wood it just about plays like a long hybrid.
  4. Jacob L

    Jacob L
    Franklin, IN

    Lou G said:

    Sorry, not me. I even use a 17* hybrid as a replacement for my 3 wood. Regardless of the difference in length and loft, i only hit the hybrid about 10 yards shorter. The benefit is, I hit it a LOT more consistently, where I seem to top the 3 wood a lot. Where I play, I need to hit that club off 3-4 tees, depending on wind, and on at least 3 par 5 holes. Moving the ball instead of topping it makes me about 2 shots better per round with that hybrid than when I carry a 3 wood.

    If someone would make a hybrid to replace my stupid, mean, spiteful lob wedge, I'd buy it.

  5. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    The main issue with a 3 wood is that it is just way too long for my swing @ 43" for a fairway wood. I'm OK with a 41.5-42" fairway wood and hit a 5 wood or 7 wood pretty well (the 7 wood works on a wider variety of lies and the difference is about 5-7 yards). I can also still hit steel-shafted persimmon woods (I have a 41" 5W and 40" 10W in my reserve bag). I do have a slower swing speed with the driver (82-90 mph) but still can hit it 230 yards on a straight shot or close to 270 with a low draw. The club is a senior flex but has been shortened to 45" so it behaves more like regular. I also weigh 215 lb and am 6'1" so most of my power comes from a good weight shift and the proper sequence. I also am pretty capable of 200 yards with my 7W. I also play to a 12 handicap on regulation par 72 courses and near par on the exec courses.
  6. PhillyFan

    PhillyFan
    ROUND ROCK, TX

    I with you! In fact I just returned from the range trying to determine if I should keep my 3-wood in the bag or remove it and put in my 2H 18* hybrid. The 2H goes in, my 3-wood gets traded-in.The 2-hybrid is much better off of all different types of lies, especially thin lies.

  7. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    PhillyFan said:

    I with you! In fact I just returned from the range trying to determine if I should keep my 3-wood in the bag or remove it and put in my 2H 18* hybrid. The 2H goes in, my 3-wood gets traded-in.The 2-hybrid is much better off of all different types of lies, especially thin lies.

    I can actuallly hit a 5W just as far as a 3W (most cases fartther).

  8. george t

    george t
    Old Lyme, CT

    For the past 3 years, I've been using r7 5 & 7 woods with success, but felt it was time to try something new.  So this year, I've put a 19* & 24* 910H in the bag.  

    The 5 & 7 wood were very close for me, and honestly, I used the 7 wood far more often.  But there was a pretty big gap between the 7W and my 5 iron, so that is where the 24* 910H is fitting in.  Kind of like a 4 iron for me.  The 19* is covering the 7 wood distances so far, and I have a 15* 910Fd for yardages beyond that.  I'm a little concerned that the 19* might be a little too long, but I'm hoping I can learn to throttle that back, should that be the case.  

    So many great clubs out there, but we can only carry 14.  The season is still very young, but some shots I've hit with these 910H clubs already show great promise for this new setup.  

  9. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    george t said:

    For the past 3 years, I've been using r7 5 & 7 woods with success, but felt it was time to try something new.  So this year, I've put a 19* & 24* 910H in the bag.  

    The 5 & 7 wood were very close for me, and honestly, I used the 7 wood far more often.  But there was a pretty big gap between the 7W and my 5 iron, so that is where the 24* 910H is fitting in.  Kind of like a 4 iron for me.  The 19* is covering the 7 wood distances so far, and I have a 15* 910Fd for yardages beyond that.  I'm a little concerned that the 19* might be a little too long, but I'm hoping I can learn to throttle that back, should that be the case.  

    So many great clubs out there, but we can only carry 14.  The season is still very young, but some shots I've hit with these 910H clubs already show great promise for this new setup.  

    I have a 5/26 hybrid (Sumo SQ) that I am capable of 180 with if I really rip it. What I do for the shots in between it and the 7W is choke down on the latter by 1/2" to shave 10 yards. By the way, I carry 11 clubs - driver, 7W, 5-7H, 8-9 irons, 4 Vokey wedges and putter. The distance on the 7H is between that of the 6 iron and 7 iron. I also have a two way chipper that I added to the bag for those under the tree shots and found I can hit it 110 yards with a full swing.
  10. Robert J

    Robert J
    Grafton, OH

    No more hybrids for me. I have tried them all and struggled with all of them. I went back to a driver, 3wd, 5wd combo, never been happier.

  11. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Robert J said:

    No more hybrids for me. I have tried them all and struggled with all of them. I went back to a driver, 3wd, 5wd combo, never been happier.

    I agree w/ Robert. I'm OK with the 5H and 7H - in fact, I had a tremendous middle game today (was pretty much sticking the greens between 135-160 yards. As far as the long game, nothing beats a driver-5-7 for me. If I have a 170 shot, I hit a choke down on the 7 W. For 190 off the tee I do a choke down on the driver (real short backswing).
  12. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I just re-introduced a 9 wood back into my bag (it was an "oh by the way" while I was picking up some club fitting supplies) as a filler between the 7W and 5H. Didn't find value in using a 4H since the diff between it and the 5H was 5 yards.
  13. Bernard L

    Bernard L
    Chelmsford, MA

    My situation is a bit different and I'd be interested in peoples thoughts. I play the 990B's 5-PW which are a bit weak in the loft department. The PW is 49 degrees. Figured it was a bit foolish to carry three more wedges (i had for awhile) so I have the 54.11 and 60.04. Last year I picked up the 585 19 and 24 and love them. With my putter, 910 D-2 9.5 driver and 910F 15 3-wood I only have 13 clubs....so, I saw and picked up a 910F 19 5-wood. I figure it picks up the small gap between my 3-wood and 19 hybrid and gives me some flexibility in high ball flight. But, I wonder whether I might be a bit heavy on my longer clubs and a bit redundant. Any thoughts out there?

  14. John L

    John L
    Dewey, OK

    we'll i am a situational golfer. i own and sometimes use a 21 degree hybrid. it all depends on course conditions. I have never been one to hit a hybird instead of a three wood. (260yards from the fairway with a three wood) about 280 off the tee at sea level i can get a 3hy about 240 but i can do it easyer with a 5wood. 

    I have never considered at 7 or 9 wood. maybe because i'm 30 with a 120+ club head speed but its just never been a need for me. 

    here are my options to make my bag with on any given day

    8.5 driver Fujikara 7z08 x-stiff

    13.5 wood fujikara 7x07 x-stiff

    17 wood fujikara 7x07 x-stiff

    19 wood jujikara 7x07 x-still

    21hy dg x100

    3-pw blade x-100 all 1 degree strong

    wedges 46.08, 48.08, 50.08, 52.12, 54,11, 56,11, and a 60.10

    if its a short course i drop the driver and five wood and pw 

    putt in hy, 46,50,54,and 60

    standard course is d,3w,5w, 4-pw 56,60

    long course is a traditonal bag 

  15. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    When I was 30 I used to hit a persimmon 3 wood pretty close to 300 yards and could hit a one iron 260 (I didn't use a driver back then). My set makeup back then was 3-4 wood, Ginty 1 iron, X-31 2-PW, Haig Ultra Dual Wedge and a putter. I used stiff shafts and could hit a 7 iron 165 yards. I can hit a 7 wood the same distance as a 17H and WAY farther than a 21H. There is very little difference between a typical 7 wood vs a 17H as far as shaft length and lie angle. I've been using a 7 wood since 2006 when I found it easier to hit vs a long hybrid. A 7 wood has the same loft as an old-school 5 wood (I have a steel shafted Louisville Niblick 5/21 that I occasionally break out and practice with). There are some PGA pros that carry a 7 wood (what comes to mind is that Appleby carried one at one time) and there were one or two of them that preached the benefits on "Playing Lessons From the Pros." Player carries a 9 wood these days and commented that he would have won one more Masters if he had one in the bag. There are a couple LPGA pros that carry an 11 wood and even a 6 hybrid in the bag (and just about all of them can outdrive a majority of the male golfing population and use men's stiff shafts).

  16. No hybrids or lofted fairways here... CB 2 iron gives me the most consistency, played on Friday and Sunday and missed 1 fairway out of 8 teeing off with it. Am working at flighting it off the deck (high cut) so I can hit it into par 5s with confidence.

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